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to democratic aides, a debt deal without tax increases is reportedly moving forward. tonight, the big three remain on the chopping block. democrats need to understand cutting the big three in any way is a disaster. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> democrats still say no deal without taxes. the tan man can't control his tea partiers. meanwhile, religious and civil rights leaders are personally urging the president not to cut the social safety net. reverend jim wallace met with the president. he's here tonight. in "psycho tk" el rushbo is pushing another democratic conspiracy theory. and congressman allen west voted to cut social security for his constituents and for some listen he's still attacking debbie wasserman-shultz. >> 80%. 80% of americans do not want washington to lay a finger on medicare and medicaid. that's a heck of a number. you know the nfl is about ready to do a deal. if some nfl coach said my quarterback is going to hit 80% of his passes this year, they'll say holy smokes, we're going to win the whole thing. that is a huge number. this just isn't democrats. it's
to reduce the deficit. there are major questions about taxes and possible cuts to the big three. >>> and in wisconsin, we have a result in the state's first recall election since the scott walker union busting law was passed. the democrat, dave hansen, has defeated the republican challenger, another major victory for workers rights in wisconsin and in america. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we now have a bipartisan group of senators who agree with that balanced approach. and we've got the american people who agree with that balanced approach. >> the gang of six plan rides again. bernie sanders gives the plan a huge thumb's down. he's here tonight. rupert murdoch plays dumb in front of parliament. >> i don't know. >> reminds me of a scene from the godfather. >> i don't know nothing about that. >> we have more on the news corp. dog and pony show. and the election results everyone is waiting for out of wisconsin. we will talk to the first member of the wisconsin 14 to face a recall election. >>> good evening, americans, thanks for joining us tonight. with less than tw
. >> third, i think they are agreed on budget cuts but not which cuts. i think they are agreed now that big deal is dead so they will try to go for some small deal. i guess they're there but it's clear mitch mcconnell is concerned that the republicans in the house can't get anything through. >> well, then i don't think they're dead. your hopes of them all agreeing on the three things you named as you said, you don't know if it can get through the house. a house divided cannot stand for america, pat. richard, what is your reading? ? the republicans can't get it together and the people who may pay for this is the american public? >> before we get there reverend, i want to pick up on something pat said. if there were any kind of tax increase at all republicans would be finished. let's look at the polls. recent gallup polls suggest that only one in five american voters think that this deficit crisis needs to be dealt with, with spending cuts alone. in other words, the vast majority of voters want to see a mix. now you can debate where the mix should be between spending and revenues, between cut
as early as this week. that would mean republicans get big spending cuts in exchange for zero tax increases. the president vowed that that wouldn't happen. tonight let's be an honest broker and make sure he keeps his word. >> i do not see a path to a deal if they don't budge, period. >> president obama drew a line on taxes last week. republicans are running out the clock, and it looks like the president is caving. senator sheldon whitehouse is here. one of the key figures in the news corporate fox hacking scandal is found dead, and there's more trouble in the united states for rupert murdoch. filmmaker robert greenwall on the latest. in psycho talk tonight. >> yes, they have the right to do that. that's not discriminating based upon religion against their particular religion. >> republican presidential hopeful herman cain has a warped understanding of the constitution. more anti-islam remarks from the godfather's pizza man. tonight, he's attacking another candidate on his religion. remember last week everybody was saying, well, the president is in such a good place right now. really? folks,
>>> big casino. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, shooting the moon. president obama met today with congressional leaders to deal with the debt and he may have calmed the republican' bluff. the president is pushing a plan much bigger than before with $4 trillion. that's trillion with a t, spending cuts. major changes to medicare and to social security could be on the table as well. provided republicans agree to an increase in tax revenues. we may be watching president obama outmaneuvering his republican opponents, positioning himself as an even bigger deficit hawk than those on the right. it's a bold move, but will it work? >>> and what happens if no deal on the debt creeling is reached? is president obama's last best option to invoke the 14th amendment, to bypass congress and borrow beyond the debt limit? conservatives are usually quick to defend the constitution, but congressman tim scott of south carolina says that move might be worthy of, believe it or not, impeachment. >>> how's this for a fight? fox is going after
economic soundness to this country. that take as big deal. a lot of pain. democrats are upset the president talked about pain on their side of the ail and republicans are saying no way will we give tax relief to middle income americans. they want to continue tax relief to the wealthy. everyone agrees a number around $4 trillion will make a serious debt on our deficit. it will send a statement to the world that the u.s. has gotten ahold of their fiscal problems and they are moving forward. it will give confidence to the american people that we can move forward to bring economic soundness. that's the president's commitment. >> 6:00 on the east coast. welcome to "morning joe." look at that nice live look at times square. joe is looking spify today. he went shopping. it is monday, july 11th. >> i don't know what that means. >> we have msnbc -- well, yes. this is unusual. we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, john heilemann. what's so funny? >> yeah, what's so funny? i don't get it. he's back. >> we can't get him to leave. we have "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner and in washington
14% in taxes and corporations pay 0%, and you raise more, you can have us a big deal here. >> they're still drawing lines in the sand that seem insurmountable with weeks to go before the august 2 deadline, congressional leaders are heading back to the white house today for yet another meeting to reach a deal on raising the country's debt ceiling. officials familiar with the negotiations say majority leader eric cantor dominated yesterday's meeting. cantor laid out what was agreed upon in the deficit reduction talks led by vice president biden, specifically $2 trillion in cuts in the next decade. the figure includes $1 trillion in discretionary spending. $200 billion in medicare and medicaid. and $200 billion to $300 billion on saved interest in the debt. >> so the military -- the military, i guess, comes in in the mandatory discretionary spending. >> military. >> sources familiar with the talks add that after the presentation president obama said the two sides might be able to reach consensus on roughly $1 pp 7 trillion. but there are still some issues to resolve. at one point in t
on the small town of grandby, colorado. >> the vehicle was going in and out of this, basically, a big concrete warehouse, that was made out of prefast concrete. and what he would do is fall forward until the wall would collapse on top of him an then he would pull backwards and he was just going from one end of the build to the other doing that, causing the building to collapse on itself. >> glenn trainer is the former undersheriff of grand county, colorado. when the call first comes in that a bulldozer is on the loose, he isn't overly concerned. but that changes after a report of shots being fired. it turns out, this is no ordinary bulldozer. >> when i arrived on scene and walked around the corner and saw this big behemoth tank there that that was fully encased in armor, i knew that we there a problem that was much bigger than our team could handle on our own. >> the homemade tank is outfitted with high-caliber rifles and is rolling over everything in its path. a few residents grabbed cameras to record the destruction as it happens. >> mad man in grandby. >> the rural sheriff's department is i
they never get to to see all in one place. >> go a lowe's or home depot, one of the big box stores, good luck. you're on your own. >> how did these two enter the seemingly saturated market of a complex, well established industry like bathroom remodeling. >> no one approached it from a system perspective. sometimes it takes someone from outside the industry to reinvent the industry. >> as outsiders they asked themselves how they could stream line a process where most of the suppliers and manufacturers don't know each other and almost never communicate. >> no one delivers your bathroom in a box. that's what we do. >> that's how they hit on bath in the box concept. they treated the whole bathroom as a single product rather than a collection of various widgets. by bundling everything together they streamlined the supply chain from the design sketch to a finished bathroom. >> the idea is to be able to think through in advance all the parts that go into that eco system. >> that's nice. all in there? >> vanity, tubs. >> a box with my whole bathroom in it. >> that homeowner is renovating her bathroom
>>> big news in washington this morning. one debt ceiling deal appears dead. will a critical meeting later today help save the american economy? new details about how the cia tracked down osama bin laden. the story of one analyst's dogged determination to get the leader. >>> rolling out the red carpet. the british royal company meets and greets some hollywood's biggest royalty. the scoop and buzz from their trip. >>> the 10 million mile man. you're going to meet the guy who just set a new record for the most flights on an airline ever. pretty cool stuff. good morning. i'm thomas roberts in for alex witt today. thanks for joining us. we get right to it. two big issues are making headlines this morning in washington. jobs and the debt ceiling talks. treasury secretary tim geithner appeared on "meet the press" with host david gregory. >> it's going to take a long time still. h is a very tough economy. i think for a lot of people it's going to feel very hard, harder than anything they've experienced in their lifetime now for some time to come. that is because that is the tragic e
and bill say that big manufacturers are starting to take notice of this new supply chain approach. they see it as an alternative drishs channel to the big box stores which control much of the industry. >> the manufacturers see bath simple as a way to open up a whole new channel for how they sell their product. they're stuck in the home depot, lowe's channel, it's a big channel, but a low margin, it's dangerous to have one big customer. we sell to the contractors out there and they get it very quickly. >> consumers, too, are taking notice. the online design software makes the selection process faster and easier than the traditional chore of running from store to store. >> i have three middle school kids. and i just don't have to time. this whole idea intrigued me with bath simple. that's how i got started with that. >> from the manufacturers to the contractors to the consumer to the retail chains they see this as a new way of doing something that's been done for a long time the old way. >> rethinking and reinventing an approach to a business can make you stand out from the crowd. let's turn
that would have included up to a trillion dollars in new revenue. it seems like the republicans talk a big game about solving the nation's problem. but they are really only interested in one thing, that's winning back the white house. mitch mcconnell said this on fox news. >> the most important thing we want to achieve is for president obama to be a one-term president. >> that is true. that's my single most important political goal along with every active republican in the country. >> joining me now, is the independent senator from vermont, senator bernie sanders. senator, thank you for being here tonight. how do you explain the republicans unwillingness to compromise to get the big deal that they said they wanted, to put everything on the table. the president said fine now they back down. >> what they said is they would like everything on the table. so long as it means cuts to social security, medicare, medicaid, the needs of our children, and the environment. all of that is on the table. but if you asked billion airs it start paying a little bit more in taxes or if you do away with loop
have a big jump in revenue. obama has been saying let's thai the bush tax cuts are going to lapse and we are going to extend the ones for the middle class. republicans are afraid to let him do that up front. it would kill momentum for a tax reform. >> but, but, but why just get rid of the bush tax cuts. if they are so awful, why not get rid of all of them. get rid of all of them for everybody. if tax cuts are the worst thing ever, the bush tax cuts, get rid of the bush tax cuts for everybody and raise billions in revenue. >> right. i think we could probably figure it out sitting around the table. i don't think it's that difficult. they are locked in in political terms. it's a much different issue to them. you can make rational compromises and deals here. the problem is, how do they do it. what's happening is they are at the point where they realize the consequences. at some point, they realize they have to do something other than hold the ground saying this is it. we're not going to change anything. we are at that point and we have little time to work with. >> howard dean, look wh
with the debt ceiling being raised, no real big agreement on spending and taxes. all that's left now is about a week of political posturing. plus what would happen politically if no deal was reached and the u.s. does default? would voters blame the president for a faltering economy or hold republicans responsible for refusing to make a deal? the answer to that could determine who wins the 2012 election. also, let's go to the videotape. michelle bachmann's husband denying that he ever referred to gays as barbarians, despite the tape that indicates differently, referring to gays as barbarians. we have the full tape on that, and that tops our 2012 coverage tonight. and the drip, drip, drip of the rupert murdoch scandal continues. first, rebecca brooks, the head of newspaper operations on the other side of the pond resigned. and late this afternoon, we learned the ceo of dow jones, which publishes murdoch's "the wall street journal" here in america is stepping down. can murdoch himself stop the scandal completely overwhelming his empire? findly, kumar, as in harold and kumar, is leaving the white
are loop hoeholing loopholings. >> shouldn't they hold firm, democrats, on this. >> this is a big step forward for john cornyn, one of the big leaders in the -- a leader in the republican senate campaign committee to suggest they're open to the idea if not in the intermediate term closing loopholes is an important first step. it suggests that you can win some of your concessions you want here. if you're going to take drastic steps to reform medicare and medicaid and social security, which i agree we should, you should also hold firm to say that some are going to have their taxes changed. if the middle class and the people below the middle class are going to make sacrifices, and all americans should. people on the upper oechend sho as well. hopefully they'll agree to a corporate tax cut and hopefully doing something incentivize businesses hiring going forward. >> we got some great segment ms ahead. and must reads. the tax issue hurts it economy to deal with this a little bit and get what the democrats want on this. i don't think it does. >> i want patrick to explain this. he never quite
matthews down in washington. leading off tonight, too big to fail? here are the two things to take away from mitch mcconnell's offer. one we are no longer looking at democrats versus republicans or liberals versus conservatives. this is a fight between the leaders and protesters, people who are responsible for america's financial health and those who never have to worry about an election. second, money talks, b.s. walks. when major financial groups told the gop that default was not an option, they suddenly saw the light. as phil graham once said -- -- we learned that many on the right only pretend to care about the debt. what they care about is shrinking government and lowering taxes. tonight we're going to put a spot light on the unsupported republican claim that somewhat higher taxes for the better off means fewer jobs for everyone. also, the rupert murdoch scandal has claimed another victim. murdoch has dropped his bid to buy british sky broadcasting tonight. will it threaten his holdings here in the states? >>> the latest poll on republicans may show that mitt romney is in more trou
a lot to talk about. big news over the budget and deficit reduction. president obama is rejecting calls for a short-term hike. he made a rare appearance in the press room. he's challenging them to seize the moment and cut a deal. >> i don't think the american people here sent us here to avoid tough problems. it's, in fact, what drives them nuts about washington. when both parties simply take the path of least resistance. i don't want to do that here. i believe right now, we have a unique opportunity to do something big. to tackle our deficit in a way that forces our government to live within our means. still allows us to invest in that future. >> all right. sounds good. sounds hopeful, it does. maybe something will get done, like everyone is going to come in. less than an hour after the president's invitation, john boehner missed the discussions saying a deal won't pass in the house, if it includes tax increases. he said, i'm happy to discuss the issues at the white house, but the discussions are fruitless until the president recognizes economic and legislative reality. >> that doesn't
like to say as well just how sorry i am. >> my big question today, will one of the murdochs take the fall for the phone hacking scandal? of course you can reach me on facebook and twitter. to answer that question, let's bring in a reporter for "the washington post" style section. it's good to see you today, paul. what do you think? do you think that we're going to see either rupert or james take the fall? >> at this point barring any other revelations that's a big if i don't think so. the murdoch family controls about 40% of news corp. it has the board pretty much in its pocket. unlikely that they will be forced to resign as a result of this. in the absence of anything else happening. >> his board of directors whose responsibility has been to shareholders has been rather meek and silence on this scandal. now you have a director, tom perkins telling "the wall street journal" that rupert's a genius that and that the board thinks it needs him. how crucial is rupert to the future success of the company? >> well, rupert murdoch built news corp. from a single newspaper in australia in
that she could catch fire. look, when you start this thing, when you win iowa, if you win iowa big, that thing starts rolling through new hampshire and south carolina, it's over in weeks. i agree 100%. >> how was she going in philadelphia suburbs? how is she going to do in the i-4 corridor and in wisconsin? how is she going to do in new mexico, arizona? i would suggest, with swing voters not well at all. >> there's no doubt if you nominate michele bachmann, it's an enormous risk. the only conditions, i think, under which i believe she could win the presidency, if people say, if they did in 1980, i don't care, i'm taking a chance with this guy because what we got we can't stand, you get 9% or 10% unemployment, two more years, this country is ready for a lot of change. more "morning joe" in a moment. with the hotels.com 48-hour sale, the possibilities are endless. interesting... save up to 50% this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart.  finally, there's a choice for my patients with an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not cause
. how exciting. >> they match. >> they do match. >> the big news of the day, yesterday, of course, was moody's coming out and saying, listen, we don't expect this to happ happen. the chances are slight this is going to happen. just the chance it may happen, we are going to downgrade america's credit rating. >> we are going to put it on credit watch to downgrade it or we will downgrade it if it happens. first of all, the rating agencies were behind the curve during the whole financial crisis and they took a lot of heat for that. now they are trying to be more proactive. when you have a congress that refuses to address the issue, what do they do? it's not a shocker. it's another symbol of how dysfunctional things are in washington and what the stakes are and how dangerous it is. you know a few people across the globe. >> i like it when mika says it better. >> say international financeer. >> i would think these are trying times for banks across the world. look at ireland a second time. it's spread to italy. we have all heard -- greece, portugal. it's all across europe. it's coming to
in this country, if we don't meet our bills, do we get into big trouble, or don't we? some people are holding out and saying, this isn't a problem we can slither through this thing. where are you on that? >> no. i think it is a problem. in fact, you know, we have slowly stair stepped our way into this mess and certainly wing the gop caucus, right on right crime perpetrated there with the different messages and you know, who's on top of who? who's the leading voice today? done nothing more than muddled the debate for a lot 69 american people right now. you're seeing it begin to reflect in the polls. beginning to see it reflect amongst some of the other members of the caucus who are just sick and tired of not getting to a point of resolution. so i think that there are very serious people there beginning to step up with the party on both sides, quite frankly, to move the participants to a point where we can actually begin to get something done. i think, chris, there will be a deal done. the question is, right now, what exactly does it look like, and who's prepared to stand before the american people
're paying lip service, richard, at a very minimum, asking for that big deal, that grand bargain that we've heard so much about, and the president says he's still pressing for it. his omb director, budget director jack lew, had something to say about that this morning as well. >> he wants the largest deal possible. he wants to do the most we can to reduce the deficit. that would be the right thing to do for the american people. he made it clear he's willing to go into areas that he's not in the past been comfortable going into. i think that one can see a path to getting well over a trillion on things that we should be able to agree to. >> so richard, we're essentially in a holding pattern here. what's playing out are politics within each conference and caucus on capitol hill between republicans and democrats, between house and senate. republicans for their part this week are going to push forward an amendment to the constitution requiring a balanced budget. they say this is what's needed. even if it were to be ratified, which is considered a long shot, obviously it would do nothing in th
with the president at the white house tomorrow. here's the president today. >> we agree on system of the big things. we agreed that after a decade of racking up deficits and debt we need to feet get our fiscal house in order. to do that, both sides have to step outside of their con fort zones to make political sacrifices. and we agree we simply cannot afford to default on the national obligations for the first time in our history. >> joining me now is white house correspondent mike have a caro. good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. >> are there enough of the similarities done to get the deal done this weekend? >> reporter: well, that's a great question. and a lot of people are drawing lines in the sand. over the past several weeks as we have led up to this very crucial, this critical weekend, alec, it appears there's really very little wiggle room. but we shall see. what's on the table is something of historic proportion. $4 trillion in spending cuts over ten years, over 12 years, that's one of the things being ironed out. of course, you know the story here. $14.3 trillion, that's the u.s. na
for millionaires and big corporations is what republicans have called for. they need to meet us somewhere. >> thank you, congressman steve israel. >> thank you. >>> joining me now, "washington post's" chris, author of "the fix". a managing editor also. let's visit this grover norquist issue. i think on tuesday in an interview with your "washington post" editorial board, grover norquist, the man famous for his anti-tax pledge, said that not renewing the bush tax cuts would not violate his pledge. listen to some of that audio released. >> not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase. >> stow does not violate the pledge. >> we wouldn't hold it that way. it would be a very bad thing to do. it would raise taxes from where they are today. >> who don't follow the inside baseball the way you and i eat, drink and sleep it. what is the significance of grover norquist saying that? >> for people who don't know, grover norquist since 1985 has run a group called americans for tax reform pap d.c.-based group that does a lot of thing. basically, to holded line on no tax increases for republicans. eve
unpublished research that indicates it might be simply big time peptide disorders. we don't know. i don't think it's as simple as trying to pass by the kentucky fried checken outlet without going in. this is a serious medical problem. we need to know more about it before we know how to treat it right. >> not that i disagree with you, governor but sometimes we reach for more complex reasons when the simpler reasons are in front of us. the tv remote control clicker and video games. this nation is filled with kids from 8 to 18 who never get off the couch. look at the advertisements for the real to life video games we have around us. that's all they play. they don't go out and play catch or run down the block to get milk. >> i think that's true. i didn't mean to say it had nothing to do with it but i think it's going to be a complex set of problems. it's going to defie easy political solutions. >> we'll move on to the budget. nine of ten states with the highest obesity led by mississippi, alabama and west virginia. they lead the nation in diabetes and high blood pressure. it's, you know, ob
are going to have a big choice -- they picked this fight with the president for a reason, the debt limit is not going to be raised unless we do something on the deficit projections now and in to the future. but the problem with the house republicans is, they never answered affirmatively in a politically sa political politically saliable way what the a the answer should be. you have to have a plan that can pass both chambers and the president can sign. otherwise, you're talking past the other party. >> the question is, nicole, what is republican position right now? at the end of last week, we had republican leaders on in the house, guys i like very much personally. been a champion of paul ryan. back from the time i met him, in 1994. but we ask, what do you want? and their position was, it's not enough to close the tax loopholes. we've got to cut tax rates, income tax rates for individuals and corporations. that's not going to happen in 2011. they know it's not going to happen. i say, okay, let's say you got that done, would that be enough? then paul ryan said, no. we need a fundamental tr
on cutting a big deal to take us through five to ten years, not just five or ten weeks. the problem, it seems to me, yesterday was a good example of it. you have questions tweeted to the president of the united states, questions delivered from the real world about housing problems, about i'm losing my house, my mortgage, what are we going to do. not policy questions from washington media members. the problem is that the president is dealing with a number of people who don't live in the real world. for example, eric cantor. no matter how many times he's been on and how many times we talk about rescinding the bush tax cuts, he calls it a tax increase. go to the grocery store and milk is on sale for $3.25. the next week it goes up to $3.75. it's not a hike in price, it's reverting back to the original price. they don't live in the real world. they just don't. >> he'll be on this morning so you can ask him again. >> we will ask him again. >> i would like to ask him what it is they offered yesterday that was different. the president talked about boehner's question being skewed. i put the question
or you know, too big government. because there's plenty that needs to be done in this country. we need to fix schools. we need to fix sewers at water systems. we need to hire more healthcare workers and child care workers. and that's exactly what wee we should do. this is back -- >> we need to build highways, tunnels. look at traffic you've got to go to in chicago just to get to the show. representative, thanks for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> thank you, al. >>> up next, michele bachmann takes another big step to the right. and falls off the deep end. is she taking her campaign down with her? >>> and the party of the rich is having some money problems. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is america. what makes our country great? our can-do spirit and our can-do cheese. kraft singles. this cheese rolls up its sleeves and gets the job done 'cause we're always made with milk and we're rich in calcium to help build 'em up strong! and fast! is is salonpas. >>> welcome back to the show. now to discuss some of the big political stories. with we have the power panel. joining m
, actually, if they know there's a big deal behind it will be quite -- wouldn't they, john heilemann? >> i think so. the time is tough right now. listen to harry reid and mitch mcconnell who know how the senate works and how long it takes to do the following things, to reform medicare and tax reform. they are things that typically can take many months to get done. >> isn't it a surprise? it wasn't a surprise the show started at 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. it's no surprise we have a deadline. >> to build the legislation is not something that can happen in the span of four or five days. you can't. the key issue is what obama will be wanting to see is the outlines of a deal where he has a good assurance the outlines of the deal can get past once the meat is put on the bones. if that's the case and the markets see that, everything will be fine. whether it's a few days extension or a couple weeks, it's going to take a lot to get to that point. there's no consensus on the house side among house republicans in favor of what the gang of six is doing. as we saw in the film, the video, house democr
committed to a big deficit reduction package because he was always going to include something that was impossible for house republicans? >> but that was -- this is where i bang head on table, right? because i am -- i'm basically a right wing person and if i can get a deal where you preserve the infrastructure of tax rates, you give up something on deductions, schedules, and credits, and you get a democratic president to say i'll go first on medicare, i'll squeeze the providers, or i will make some changes on social security, it won't work when george w. bush leads, but when a democrat leads, okay, but you have to agree in this 1 in 6, 1 in 7 thing that you don't like. i say let's explore. and the president on health care and now again on this debt ceiling, as you say, he may have been very insincere and counting on republican intransigence to save him from his words, but the words were said, the door was there. this could be the moment where republicans got a lot out of a president who asked only a little from them, overconfident they'd say know. we now see he's rightly confid
? >> the condoms. there you go. so you had a big night planned, huh? >> no. please listen to me. >> go ahead. got nothing but time. >> there's nothing, i swear. i don't want to do anything. you know. i don't want to hurt anyone. i just wanted to talk. i swear to you. you know -- >> how were you going to use the condoms in the conversation? >> i wasn't going to use them at all. >> you have them in your pocket. >> well, yeah, i do have -- >> were you going to do balloon tricks with them? >> no. >> well, come on. there's only one reason, typically, that people bring condoms to a home. >> yeah. >> and that's for protection during sex. >> yeah. >> there's only two people in this house as far as you know, you and the 15-year-old girl. so what am i to think about this? >> i have a family at home. i love them dearly. you know? >> you have kids? >> yes. >> how old are your kids? >> i have one daughter and two stepsons from my wife's previous marriage. >> so if your daughter was home alone and some guy who was 30 came to visit, you would feel how? >> i understand and sympathize. very upset. >> here is a gu
that he, a man of humble roots, was able to provide his family with so much. the big house. the backyard pool. money for whatever they needed. >> once upon a time. >> reporter: the kind of son-in-law rosie's parents rocco and gigi dipuccio could regard as heaven sent. >> she sent him for two jars of baby food. he'd come home with 36. i mean everything he did had to be big and lots. >> reporter: was it in a show-off kind of way or was he just being generous? >> no. he was just -- you know, i used to say to him, i think yaz is so good to you in everything you do because you're so giving to people. >>> now, rose city, her family would say, could not have cared less about the house, the cars, the status. she was down to earth and content with what she always had, not the least of it, her close italian-american family, where sunday dinner at her parents was a don't miss. >> silly. where's your teeth, silly? >> and, of course, the sun and moon of her life, daughter and son. was she happy to be a mother? >> oh, my god. are you kidding? she would just pinch their cheek and say, i can't believe i
was apparently trying to do, get a big deal in a balanced way. so, that's the good news. again, the details still have to come out and senator durbin, a member of the gang of six said yesterday, they don't have legislative language. the question is, you know, what can be done between now and august 2nd, if anything with the plan or do we need to continue to proceed with a back-up plan, plan b. >> chris, i was going to ask earlier, last hour to steve rattner who was here and suggested if the plan were to go forward, there would have to be a month or two month extension to allow the committee chairman and chairwoman in the house and senate to do their business. this would be the most dramatic reform of entitlement since the reagan era. there would have to be an extension of time for the debt ceiling, would there not? >> i think it's right. we would have to work out some interim arrangement to proceed down that road. again, exactly what the time line would be and that question would remain to be seen. the good news is this provides some additional momentum to the idea of getting something big done.
at here, is there this broader pattern, if so, then this could become part of that. >> and big surprise, a very, very sharp contradiction in james murdoch's testimony plays out today. and the murdoch response was basically no response at all. >> right. you know, the interesting character to watch there is tom crone, the lawyer. he's made clear that he's not going to be the fall guy here. and if they -- if the murdochs and news corp. try to lay everything on him, because he was the chief lawyer for "news of the world," he's not going to sit idly by. so if the brits are looking for a john dean character in all this, i would think that tom crone is the guy to watch, and the statement today contradicting james murdoch's testimony about that email is the first sign that he may in fact be willing to go there. >> nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. thank you for joining me tonight, michael. >> thank you, lawrence. >>> coming up, virginia governor bob mcdonald flip flops on the debt ceiling, even though he never actually understood what the debt ceiling was in the fir
to go with big spending cuts in revenues. makes no sense. >> i think the president, i said earlier, has leverage at this point because republicans depicted themselves as hostage-takers ready to blow things up and the public doesn't like this. they stood their ground. pat's right about that. the tea party people would be happy to see $100 billion cut out of the next budget which is in the bill that's up this week, even if that leads tos 700,000 lost jobs. happy top do safety inspections, environmental protection. this is what they want to do and stand by -- >> let's get back to reality. back to reality -- >> no. this is the reality, pat. >> david, what about -- >> david, hold on. let pat make his case. >> let me ask you this, chris. the republicans, say the mcconnell plan has a trillion or a trillion and a half in budget cuts in it. >> i don't think it does. >> in the house it passes. they send it to the president. he's going to veto it, shut down the government and puts if default? come on. >> the whole idea, mcconnell's, separate cuts from spending -- separate the ideological war faire
to have his little party. >> well, all that it sounds like you've got a pretty big night planned, huh? >> yep. >> so what was your plan? >> my plan? just to hang out. >> to hang out. >> hang out. >> uh-huh. >> hang out with whom. >> hang out with liz. >> how old is liz? >> 14, i think. >> and how old are you? >> 27? >> what do you do for a living? >> i'm actually looking for a job right now. i got laid off from my last job. >> and what is your degree in? >> my degree is in hospitality management. >> have you ever had a job in that field? >> mm-hmm. >> it's always hard for me to understand how somebody who, you know, makes it through college, gets to be in their mid-20s and has a good education, has the ability to get a good job, ends up just kind of lost and trolling the internet for young teens. >> do you see that there's something wrong with someone your age coming here to meet somebody who is 14? >> yes, sir. >> and what's wrong with that? >> um, it's against the law? >> against the law. and you knew that before you came over here? >> not really. >> but you know it now? >> mm-hmm.
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